Do you guys use same player strategy
when you play slots in normal casino and online casino?

Personally I'm playing the same:
If I go 10-15 in a row without a win, I move on to another machine.

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Hi Slotjack:

If you are moving to another machine, you must think there is some kind of a pattern to a modern slot machine. I think the machines are close to completely random. If there is a bias it would take mechanical means to help spot it.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

I will play a $10 bill at my machine of choice, no matter what denomination, before moving on.

By the way, yes, I believe the computer chip is random within a slot machine, but, contrary to Casino Player magazine's constant mantra that the machine payouts are set at the machine manufacturer and never changed, I believe that the casino's can change the individual payout on a machine.

One morning, very early (4:00 am), I was on the casino floor (it was very empty) in Atlantic City. In the next aisle was a slot machine tech. I'm tall enough to clearly see over the top of the machines (I mostly stand when I play). The tech had a screen open on a bank of 5 machines. On the screen was a lot of categories and choices--I was clearly able to read them. One of the choices was Payout Percentage. I noticed for the 5 machines, each had different payout percentages, ranging from the high 80%'s to a little over 100% (by the way, the 5 machines were all the Bewitched slots).

Random yes, but set (or re-set) by the Casino, also yes.

Ricky

Hi Ricky:

Why would the casino need to "set" the percentage payback if the manufacturer could do this and build it into the machine? I don't see the "need" for the casino to do this.

In Ontario ... an official from the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Commission needs to be on-hand when an EPROM in a machine. The Programmable Read Only Memory needs to be changed for payback percentage or for a code update.

Perhaps someone could confirm this --- but I didn't think payback percentage was something that could be changed through a simple setting. This was programmed right on the chip -- and the chip would need to be reprogrammed in order to change this.

However ... 4am is consistant with the time they would check the "coin in / coin out" --- which could account for why the payout percentage was so variable. As time goes on ... those numbers would drift toward the preset programming (10 million spins -- and they will all be within one decimal place of each other).

To me ... it just wouldn't make sense to have 5 machines of the same type -- all set with different payout expectations. I don't understand the motivation for this --- one would think -- more people would pay out the machine that pays out the most --- which would, carrying forward on this logic, lose the casino more money in the long run.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

Shamus--

You are probably right, but I've always been suspicious of how some machines can be hot at one time, but very cold at others. I am aware of the concept of "payout over the lifetime of the machine" equating to payout percentage. But, if you look at the payout percentages for each of the casinos in Casino Player magazine, they are up constantly up and down for each of the casinos. I might be wrong, but if a casino is undergoing large expenditures for construction/renovations, or for allowing free parking, a way to re-coup the money is to adjust the slot machines so the payout percentages are not as good to the players.

I'm probably wrong, and endorsing a conspiracy theory, but I'll probably always be suspicious.

Ricky

Your theory sounds similar to mine when a new game comes out. Any time a new game hits the casino floor, it seems to "hit" all the time. The jackpots seem to be more frequent and larger in the first few months.

I can't think of a reason why this would be the case ... but it generally seems to hold true.

/\/\/\/\ the Shamus /\/\/\/\

I have been a slot machine hobbiest for a few years. My knowledge is mostly with IGT S-PLus Machines. These machines have two chips in them. A game chip.....which actually runs the game.......and a reel chip.....which determines what game the slot machine is and the % of payback. The reel chip is installed at the manufacturer and in most cases.......some gambling governing body must be present if the reel chip is going to changed. Now in the the S-Plus.......I guarantee you....the % of payback cannot be changed unless the chip is changed or reprogrammed. The myth of casinos cranking the %'s up or down was a myth. I believe that most casinos are going to the IGT S-2000......and I believe that the same is true for these machines. I have been reading about server based slot machines. Now this does scare me. Supposedly.......with a server based system......the ability to crank the %'s up or down would become possible. Still regulated but you know how that goes.

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Shamus......I to agree with you........Like I said before.......I am a slot machine hobbiest and I have several IGT S-Plus Machines and I am constantly changing game themes in these machines. I have one machine that I continually change back and forth between Triple Diamond 3CM 1payline to a Triple Diamond 9-Line.

For those who don't know.....when you change games in a machine.....you must do a RAM clear procedure.........this wipes all the accounting data from the machine and sets it back just like it came from the factory when it was new.

My point is.......after a RAM clear.......my machine always tends to hit well.....so I agree......If you knew that a machine was NEW or had recently had been cleared......I would definitely play it.

There are some people that would argue with me over this.....and I know its all random.......but I am telling you.....I can do a RAM clear.....and I get a major hit in minutes.

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Hey a lot of good theories.

1. The difference from 80 to 90% is a few extra small pays. Casinos do better when the games are lose.

2. Some games do better when new because they are "front loaded", more pays at the beggining of the cycle.

3. Newer games have about 10 percentages options. The cycle will always favor the house.

Lastly, play is more important then set percentage. Good

Hi Slotjack:
lot of thanks for your good theories........

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